THE RED BOOK

OF THE PEOPLES

OF THE RUSSIAN EMPIRE


empire

Guestbook

Thank you for your interest in the fate of small peoples.

Thank you for your informative and useful site. The attribution of "Georgian Jews" to the linguistic grouping "Indo-European Peoples" would seem problematic, as Georgian Jews are neither linguistically nor ethnically "Indo-European": 1) The "mother tongue" of the Georgian Jews, according to your article, is Georgian, not an Indo-European language. 2) Assuming an ethnic classification of "Jews" as a coherent and homogenous group, the traditional language of Jewishness is Ancient Hebrew, the "mother tongue" of many Jews in the Old Testament era. This language belongs to the Semitic language group along with Arabic and Arhamaic.

Iakov Durshasvili
-- Tuesday, January 01, 2002 at 23:33:39 (EET)


Thank you for a very informative book. Every nation is important, no matter how small or big. Every culture and language enriches us all. We can learn something from the experiences of others. I do hope and pray that these small nations not only survive, but thrive. But sadly, many people seem more interested in saving "endangered species" than people. Every nation should have the right to self determination, not matter how small. Russians living in FSU countries are free to leave if they wish. No one is forcing them to stay. Many have left the poor and unstable central Asian nations and returned home. Those in the Baltics do not want to return to Russia because of economically they are much better off in the Baltics, even though President Putin has asked them to come home because Russia's native population is shrinking fast. Thank you again for an educational book.

Amanda
<eeva::altelco.net>
USA -- Monday, December 31, 2001 at 05:42:00 (EET)


Great site! I believe that all racial and ethnic hatred throughout the world have a common underlying cause. I have created a site in which I explain what that cause is. If you believe in evolution, you may find it interesting. Please check it out. Thanks.

A.M. Goto
<amgoto::email.com>
USA -- Friday, December 28, 2001 at 20:12:06 (EET)


My name is Helen Jane Simeonoff; my paternal great grandfather was Alexsei Iakov Knagin dob 1815? of Vyborg, Russia; was employed by the Russian American Company and sent to Alaska; retired/died 1875 in Ninilchik, Alaska; his descendants moved to Afognak, Alaska where my mother Alexandra Channa Knagin was born 3-17-1919; my paternal line is of Ivan Simeonoff from Russia but unknown where. Your information is valuable; I painted in watercolor the Monk's Lagoon church after Father Herman; Spruce Island, Kodiak, Alaska; he came from Valamo monastery. If you would like photographs or digital images of this area, please let me know. helen.simeonoff::ak.net

Helen Jane Simeonoff
<helen.simeonoff::ak.net>
Alaska, USA -- Wednesday, December 26, 2001 at 10:11:57 (EET)


You have an incredibly rich website! I am an American of Sami descent. My great-grandparents came from Finnish Lapland, above the Arctic Circle. My interest in my own genealogy - and pride of being a Sami - led me to delve further back to see where our ancestors came from. Your information is fascinating to me, thank you for your excellent work and eloquent material! - Donna

Donna Matson
<dmvortex::yahoo.com>
USA -- Sunday, December 16, 2001 at 22:36:00 (EET)


Finally! I wish some people would get off their horses and listen to themselves when they start slagging off the West. With our information age sites like this only lay the groundwork for more political awareness and the impetus to change.Thank you for the staggering statistics and keep us updated on how the regions are doing!

Porl Kyrga
<lynn::7metasearch.com>
USA/Japan/Kamchatka Penisula -- Sunday, December 09, 2001 at 23:25:07 (EET)


Great site! As a minority, I have always been interested in the problems of minorities, especially the causes. I am particularly interested in ethnic conflicts, such as in Northern Ireland and have concluded that all such conflicts have a common underlying factor whether it is in East Timor, Kosovo, Bosnia, Mindanao, Somalia, Puerto Rico, Fiji, Sri Lanka, Kashmir, Tibet, Chechnya, Israel, etc. All minority groups are experiencing the same underlying problem which has in turn resulted in the common desire for independence regardless of the geographic location or culture of these minority groups. I have created a web page in which I express my belief as to what this underlying cause is. Please check it out. You may find it interesting. Thanks.

A.M. Goto
<amgoto::email.com>
USA -- Sunday, December 02, 2001 at 22:47:20 (EET)


Tere Ma lihtsalt tahtsin kusida kust ma voiksin leida eesti luulet mis on inglise keelde toligitud.Olen kull otsinud aga leidmine tundub voimatu.Motlesin et Alliksaar voib olla....ja ka muud.Loodan et oskate nou anda Parimate tervitustega Kadri

Kadri Vahtra
<kadrivahtra::yahoo.com>
USA -- Friday, November 23, 2001 at 23:37:27 (EET)


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<CCCP::HOP.RU>
NOT COUNTRY -WORLD!! -- Friday, November 23, 2001 at 04:58:15 (EET)


Hi thank you for the information on estonia .. I half estonian and I wanted to know more about my country

Tiina
<babykay_3::hotmail.com>
Canada -- Wednesday, November 21, 2001 at 21:43:51 (EET)


I have appreciated reading about the various ethnic groups and their language very much. A link to this unique site has been added on my own site. Regards, Marco

Marco
<marco::studyrussian.com>
Russia -- Monday, November 19, 2001 at 05:32:39 (EET)


Interesting site.

Michel Vanslambrouck
<michel.vanslambrouck::belgacom.net>
Belgium -- Friday, November 16, 2001 at 12:51:29 (EET)


very intresting site..one of my bookmarks...keep up the goodwork

carnal
<tcsites::freenet.de>
Germany -- Thursday, November 15, 2001 at 17:55:47 (EET)


I recently discovered your fascinating web site while indulging in my hobby of comparative linguistics, specifically looking for information on the Ket language. I recently read an article by Merritt Ruhlen arguing that the Ket language (as the only surviving member of the Yeniseian language family) is the closest Old World relative of the Na-Dene language group of North America, which includes Haida, Eyak, Tlingit, Apache, and Navajo. The reference is: Ruhlen, M., 1998. The origin of the Na-Dene. Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences USA 95: 13994-13996. Except for the Asiatic Eskimo languages, this appears to be the best connection yet between a native American language group and an Old World language. What an argument for preservation of the Ket language and culture! Perhaps you would like to incorporate this reference in your article on the Kets.

James A. Doyle
<jadoyle::ucdavis.edu>
USA -- Tuesday, November 06, 2001 at 04:43:25 (EET)


Thank you for providing a site to describe the smaller Nations and Languages in Siberia. In Ireland our language is a minority language and I am particularly interested to learn more of the Shor language

Hugh O'Rourke
<Hughorourke::ireland.com>
Ireland -- Monday, October 22, 2001 at 22:13:21 (EET)


Hi there! I just bumped into your site, and I kind of enjoyed it. Keep it up! :-) Au revoir! Take care!

Jean Duvalle
<jeanduvalle::engineer.com>
United States -- Sunday, October 21, 2001 at 21:27:39 (EET)


This is a great site! No really it is! I dont care what other people say.

Jess
<blondie_qtpie::hotmail.com>
Australia -- Saturday, October 20, 2001 at 01:52:54 (EET)


Who cares about some stupid-ass barbarians in their mud huts somewhere in Siberia or the Caucasus grunting in an pitiful attempt to speak a real language? gimme some movies with lots of explosions and special effects and some pro sports and beer! That's REAL culture!

Habermas
-- Friday, October 19, 2001 at 21:28:38 (EET)


I am looking for anyone who may know people with ancestors in Razumovsky family. Camillo von Razumovsky lived in late 1800s and died in 1917. He lived in and owned spa resort in Janske Koupele (Johannisbrunn) in todays Czech republic, former Czechoslovakia and former Austrian-Hungary emporium, part named Silesia (Schlesien) near town Opava (Troppau). He had wife Maria and son Ondrej von Razumovsky, who married Katerina Nikolayevna from Sayn-Wittgestein family. Later, duringd WWII, Ondrej was arrested by nazis, but they later they left to Austria. I havent any reports about them from this point. Any informations will be really appreciated. thank you.

Misha Berg
<michal.berg::esports.cz>
Czech republic -- Monday, October 15, 2001 at 23:21:52 (EET)


where is russian EMPREEE??)) www.khazaria.com/turkic visit that learn about turks people

HAKAN ATASAGUN
stanbul/TURKYE -- Thursday, October 11, 2001 at 23:09:20 (EET)


HELP US SAVE OUR SCHOOLS. STOP THE GERMAN GOVERNMENT'S DISCRIMINATION! =========================================
The present battle to protect Sorbian schools for the future of Sorbian children goes on! We must not stand by helplessly but must do what we can to counteract the German Governments decision to close Sorbian schools. We must protest the wrongful path taken by this Government by continuing to support the "Witaj-project"(Sorbian language immersion program) which promotes the teaching of the Sorbian language in kindergartens and schools. Regrettably, the program operates on minimal government support, therefore this appeal is sent out to organizations and private individuals to aid in developing contacts or provide assistance to those Sorbian schools so very much in need. Interested and concerned parties may contact the Sorbian School Association, where more information is readily available: Ludmila Budarjowa, President Serbske sulske towaristwo (Sorbian School Association) Pstowe namesto 2 D-02625 Budysin (Bautzen) Luzyca GERMANY tel. +49- (0 35 91) 57 72 41 fax. +49- (0 35 91) 55 02 20 email: info::sorbischer-schulverein.de http://www.witaj.de or Maria Elikowska-Winkler, Director Sula za dolnoserbsku rec a kulturu (School for the Lower Sorbian Language and Culture) Zylojska droga 37 D-03042 Chosebuz (Cottbus) GERMANY tel./ fax. +49- (0355) 792829 email: Niedersorbische_Sprachschule::t-online.de Those Institutions or any one person(s) interested in supporting the Sorbian schools with a vitally needed financial donation can do so via the following address. No amount given is too small and every amount received helps us fight the German Governments discrimination! Sorbischen Schulverein e.V. - name: "WITAJ-Fonds zweisprachige Erziehung" - account no: 72 20 700 - BLZ: 870 700 24 - Geldinstitut: Deutsche Bank 24 WHO ARE THE SORBS? The Sorbs, (also known as Wends) live in Lusatia, a region in Eastern Germany and are considered the indigenous people of this region. Despite never having their own state and the fact that from the tenth century onwards were subject to German rule, they were able, until recently, to retain their separate ethnic identity by maintaining their distinct slavonic language and culture. After 10 centuries of physical extermination and repeated campaigns of brutal discrimination the Sorbs have endured, albeit at the price of great loss and denationalization of nearly 90% of the Sorbian population. A diminished number have survived events that can only be described as cultural genocide. The current population of Sorbs is estimated at about 60.000 people and rapidly melting away! Today, despite all the rights enshrined for the Sorbian people in the Constitutional Acts of the Free State of Saxony and the Land of Brandenburg, a considerable lack of political will is still being demonstrated by the Federal Government of Germany and the respective Governments of Saxony and Brandenburg to provide a lasting and meaningful solution to the challenges facing the Sorbian people. These challenges are numerous: The lack of active political representation in either of the Land parliaments or the Federal parliament of Germany. The continuous destruction of Sorbian inhabited territory, which is supposed to be protected in the respective Constitutional Acts of Saxony and Brandenburg, yet which in reality goes unprotected, ludicrously with the official sanction of the government, as is the case with the Government of Brandenburg. The notorious cuts by the Federal Government in funding provided for the Sorbian people, upon which the entire Sorbian educational and cultural institutions are reliant and without which the survival of these vital institutions is lost, thereby ensure the loss of the entire Sorbian culture. Their very national fabric is threatened with these inevitable closures, the evidence of which is already seen in the numerous lay offs of Sorbian staff. The lack of proper access to different media such as TV and radio for the broadcast of Sorbian language programs. Half hour programs offered once a month by MDR TV in Saxony and ORB TV in Brandenburg are a far cry from what is actually needed to counterbalance the exposure of Sorbian children to the ever present German media, which in turn renders the efforts of Sorbian teachers almost useless! Last but not least, the existence of the Sorbian Witaj-project which is entirely based on the Canadian French language immersion program is a great success story in Canada as well as in France for the Breton people, but in Germany after its introduction for the Sorbs it continues to struggle! All these facts are evident in Domowinas consecutive appeals to the UN Human Rights Commission and Amnesty International protests against the respective German Governments violations. They are also present in documents of the European Union as well as other independent international organizations. RECENT EVENTS IN LUSATIA =============================== August/September 2001 SORBIAN SCHOOL CLOSURE IN CHROSCICY (CROSTWITZ), LUSATIA - The Union of Lusatian Sorbs "Domowina" is asking for international support, submitting appeals to the UN Human Rights Commission and Amnesty International - In Lusatia there are daily protests held on the grounds of the Sorbian school in Chroscicy/Crostwitz. - Czech parliamentarians publicly criticized the closure of the school as well as openly questioned the German Government's true intentions towards the Sorbian people. - Sixty five Russian intellectuals signed a letter of protest to the German Government. - Czech and Russian TV crews are on location filming the Sorbian struggle GENERAL STRIKE IN LUSATIA - In light of the escalating situation regarding the Sorbian school in Chroscicy (Crostwitz) a general strike of all Sorbian schools is announced for Friday Aug. 31. - Two days prior to the general strike (Aug. 29) at 10:00 am in Chroscicy, the Sorbian Committee delivers to the President of Land Parliament Mr. Erich Iltgen, a petition signed by 60.000 people. - Sept. 4 the general strike of Sorbian schools is suspended. The obstinate stand of the Saxonian Government upholds it's decision of school closure by effecitvly forcing the 5th grade children to be relocated to another school, thus continuing with old discriminatory policies of dinationalization. "DOMOWINA" Union of Lusatian Sorbs press releases: http://home.t-online.de/home/320051871311/presse.htm OFFERS OF ASSISTANCE CAN ALSO BE ADDRESSED TO THE SORBIAN UMBRELLA ORGANIZATION: Mr. Jan Nuk, President "DOMOWINA"Union of Lusatian Sorbs Postowe Namesto 2 D-02625 Budysin (Bautzen) Luzyca GERMANY TEL: +49- (0) 3591-550-1000355 FAX: +49- (0) 3591- 42408 E.MAIL: domowina::t-online.de http://www.sorben-wenden.de ALSO IN LOWER LUSATIA TO: "Ponasemu" z.t. Na peskach 114 b D-03185 Hochoza (Drachhausen) Luzyca GERMANY contact: Mr. Siegfried Malk email: siegfriedmalk::web.de http://www.diewenden.de

Robert Brytan
<rbsorb::hotmail.com>
Lusatia, Germany -- Tuesday, October 09, 2001 at 04:51:09 (EET)


Very good site! I believe that all racial and ethnic conflicts throughout the world have a common underlying "biological" cause. This biological problem is what is causing the common symptoms of racial and ethnic hatred, segregation, discrimination, separatist movements, genocide, etc. observable in the world today. I have created a site which expresses my views as to how this underlying biological cause results in all the racial and ethnic problems observable worldwide. Please check it out. You may find it interesting. Thanks.

A.M. Goto
USA -- Tuesday, October 02, 2001 at 20:45:06 (EET)


What a wonderful site! I am enjoying it greatly, and have come back to visit many times. I want to learn as much as I can about the native people of your area; as a Native American Indian, I sometimes feel that my tribal view point allows me a closer perspective to things. It would be very neat if you could include tales and legends from each group in their categories. I have been searching for such tales for weeks and weeks, and I can not seem to find anything. I hope to visit your land someday; I also hope to write a book about your people, too. It would be something very special to me; you have a magical land.

Katrina Joyner
<kausha::earthlink.net>
USA -- Friday, September 28, 2001 at 22:46:07 (EET)


Hi! Join the CCCP-Clan!

cccp-clan
CCCP -- Tuesday, September 18, 2001 at 17:18:10 (EET)


I enjoy reading about peoples we've never learned about at school. I am from a Frisian family. The Frisians are also a rather small people in the Noth part of the Netherlands (a small country by itself)with an old language. It is a pity that that the % of the population that speakes Frisian is decreasing. Peter Buikstra

Peter Buikstra
<buikstra::xs4all.nl>
Netherlands -- Saturday, September 15, 2001 at 19:22:09 (EET)


Everything is very good, but teleuts are an independent population of Altai region. Now they are proklamed a separate nation. (Sorry for my bad english, but i can better speak and read than write)

Olga
<kopeishik::yandex.ru>
Russia -- Monday, September 10, 2001 at 13:00:52 (EET)


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Olga
<Kopeishik::yandex.ru>
Russia -- Monday, September 10, 2001 at 12:52:51 (EET)


My father's parents emmigrated from the Austro-Hungarian part of Ukraine in the early part of the last century. I once read in a book on surname etymology that our name-- originally Sheremeta in the old country--was of Tatar origin. I believe this to be true based on family physical traits, but can find no further information, or even where to start. Can anyone suggest sources or info.?Thank you.

Cary Sheremet
<cary.sheremet::akahn.com>
USA -- Tuesday, September 04, 2001 at 23:53:26 (EET)


go to hell idiots

I dont care
anywhere -- Saturday, September 01, 2001 at 11:37:09 (EET)


The Taliban is illegal not this website!!!!!!!!

JM
<Joemer::msm.com>
USA -- Saturday, September 01, 2001 at 04:43:16 (EET)


This website is illegal!

Ali
Afganistan -- Thursday, August 30, 2001 at 19:38:50 (EET)


I found this Website by chance - and extremely interesting. My congratulations on this remarkable achievement, which is one of the rare examples of a successful combination of proper academic research with a sensible making use of the new media. This will definitely go into my list of Favourites! Warm regards, Gregor Razumovsky

Gregor Razumovsky
<coordinator::europe.or.at>
Austria -- Sunday, August 26, 2001 at 19:25:21 (EET)


I have to say, I really enoyed this website!

Jack
<jack::hotmai.com>
Canada -- Saturday, August 25, 2001 at 03:16:45 (EET)


Great site!

Lenka
<maxb::canada.spamcop.com>
-- Friday, August 24, 2001 at 23:18:49 (EET)


Very Good!!!

Katrin
<Katrin.Blank001::mail.ee>
Estonia -- Tuesday, August 21, 2001 at 07:51:40 (EET)


Your site is very important and interesting.It's the story of so many people and it' s important their traditions,their languages wouldn't lose.Thanks.

nicoletta berti
<nico.ber::tiscalinet.it>
-- Tuesday, August 14, 2001 at 17:20:40 (EET)


As i read some stuff on this website i got kind of mad becouse some stuff are not tru and werent researched properly so i wouldnt advice people to read this crap

nelly
<gabrielnelly::aol.com>
u.s.a -- Sunday, August 12, 2001 at 22:03:03 (EET)


Extremely fascinating site about the ethnic diversity in a part of the world, which was for us western-europeans and up to now, allmost unknown. It is a pitty about the those rubbish-tellling guests which spoil the guestbook. You'd better put a politeness-policy into the introductions.

denis dujardin
<dujardin::pandora.be>
belgium - flanders -- Friday, August 10, 2001 at 15:49:01 (EET)


Hi, I'm Gerald Farinich, son to Andrew Farinich, Perth Amboy New Jersey. Two brothers, Peter Farinich and Gregory Farinich.

Gerald Farinich
<polarbearservices::gci.net>
USA -- Thursday, August 09, 2001 at 21:21:48 (EET)


Great Site. Thank You!

Rhonda Harris
USA -- Thursday, August 02, 2001 at 01:08:06 (EET)


Very interesting being your typical American I did not realize many of these things although I can't say that I agree with everything.

Chad
<chadlerh::hotmail.com>
USA -- Tuesday, July 24, 2001 at 20:17:56 (EET)


Impressive yet not objective! In these web sites, the only thing that we all witnessed is the fall of the pitiful russian empire and rise of the Turkic/Turan Federation (from adriatic sea to the great wall of china)... "Nation of Turan is not only a destination but our destiny as well!" Turk

TIT
<shaman::angelfire.com>
Istanbul/Turkey -- Friday, July 20, 2001 at 10:49:52 (EET)


I just discovered your discussion group and a lot of the dialogue is very interesting, but isn't some of it a little below the belt? I hope that the invective is due to too many cups of Stolichnaya rather than true ethnic hatred. We are, after all, all living on the same earth and under the same sky. That is not to say that I am not proud of my Buryat heritage. I encourage the person writing the Pan-Mongolian rhetoric to publish his own e-mail so that fellow Pan-Mongolists (as well as those who may have other ideas) can dialogue with him. I know that some of the security agencies are also watching the Internet for imflammatory content regarding minorities in Russia and China so perhaps his not revealing his e-mail is for his own safety. It is true however, that the Mongolian people, although lucky in having an independent country in Halh Mongolia, the majority of them are minorities in other countries such as Russia, China, Afghanistan, and even Iran, and many face discrimination and blatant racism. In fact it makes me sick to see the many sick jokes about Buryats and Mongols on the Internet (written by westerners who would know better than say things like that about Jews and blacks) simply because westerners think we are a remote and ignorant people who are not going to see the tripe that they are writing and be disgusted by it. Sarangerel in Ulan-Ude

Sarangerel
<SarangerelO::aol.com>
Buryatia/United States -- Monday, July 16, 2001 at 01:46:07 (EET)


This is a wonderful book after i glance at the forword.Every race should have its own right to select its identity and its culture. To be objective and disinterested, the book should be reviewed by the minority itself. It is welcomed to find out the subdued race to give some comments. Thanks the author and the people participating the discussion.

sean
<cisconp::china.com>
china -- Friday, July 13, 2001 at 12:46:58 (EET)


hi i m rashu looking for female friends of any age, i love to go cienma with females. kindly reply me if any one enterested to this email,,,, rabia_sabahaty::hotmail.com

rashu
<rabia_sabahat::hotmail.com>
UAE -- Thursday, July 05, 2001 at 12:04:28 (EET)


I am a minority and as a minority, I have always been interested in the problems of minorities, especially the causes. I am particularly interested in ethnic conflicts, such as in Northern Ireland and have concluded that all such conflicts have a common underlying factor; whether it is in East Timor, Kosovo, Bosnia, Mindanao, Somaliland, Sri Lanka, Kashmir, Tibet, Chechnya, Israel, etc. All the minority groups are experiencing the same underlying problem which has in turn resulted in the common desire for independence, regardless of the geographic location or culture of these minority groups. I have created a web page in which I express my belief as to what this underlying cause is. Please check it out. You may find it interesting. Thanks.

A.M. Goto
<amgoto::email.com>
USA -- Tuesday, June 26, 2001 at 23:47:52 (EET)


hello, This is my personal view only. Stockholom city : It is the capital where people are "bourgeois", snob. Stureplan nightclubs are very fancy. People love to say they know celebrities of TV. behavior : Swedes are very discrete and secret people. They are totally politicaly correct and they never want to express their feelings. Swedes are always correct, polite, they apologize for everything. They cannot stand people who are not polite and always expect you to behave well. They expect everyone to behave the same way. Swedes dont drink in the week but very much in the week end. Alcohol is highly expensive. Swedes dont express their feelings and try to avoid discussions or politics. They try to hide all defects and show only bright side of things. Swedes dislike people who show they are rich or poor. Swedes can be very jealous if you are "better". Swedes love to work and are very rigourous and organized. They can work until they are burned-out without complaining. Swedes love to have a good and "clean" image of their country. They like to show they are "good and nice and polite and intelligent" people. They think they are the best. Swedes love to show they can speak good english but they wont speak to you if they dont. If you dont speak swedish, you will never be really integrated. foreigners : Foreigners are second zone citizens. The best jobs are kept for swedish people. There are very few black people in Sweden except in the suburbs. Racism is hidden as much as possible. Swedish always say "I have nothing against immigrants". They say it is worse in other countries. Racism in Sweden is to a very high degree organised. girls : Swedish girls love the US and all dream to marry a rich person especially from the US. Most of them study abroad like in Paris, Nice, London, NY, LA and dont want to go back to Sweden. Swedish girls dye their hair in blond because it is fashionable but most of them are redheaded. Swedish girls are very independant and love to have a "good" life. Swedish men have not much success with girls except if they have money etc. Swedish girls love the sun and holidays. They hate winter and cold. nature : Sweden is almost empty so nature is everywhere. The best time is summer. Winter is dark and depressive and suicides high in that time. economy : The social system is very good and developped but taxes are very high. Wages are low and life is very expensive. It is almost impossible to find a flat in Stockholm.

sweden
<sweden::hotmail.com>
sweden -- Monday, June 18, 2001 at 17:02:18 (EET)


i have a russian boyfriend and we are getting married soon and i dont know alote about russia. infact im going to russia maybe this summer and it helps if know a little about the culture and what to expect. i know how to speak russian well. so im a little a head of the game. thanks jennifer

jennifer
<ponerslove::yahoo.com>
usa -- Thursday, June 14, 2001 at 09:15:27 (EET)


I didn't find any information about Komi and Komi-permyaks It is a bad book :(

Strannik
<wan20::freemail.ru>
-- Saturday, June 02, 2001 at 14:58:02 (EET)


I read the foreword and saw that it was full of lie. Peoples in Russia kept their unique, because there wasn't any discrimination of small peoples. Each people has radios, newspapers, books, TV progammes (on his language of course) And something else. I saw an idiotic message, that Slavs are living on Balkans just for 200 years. Historical researches reveal that Slavs lived there before Christ

Strannik
<wan20::freemail.ru>
Russian Federation -- Saturday, June 02, 2001 at 14:53:04 (EET)


Hello, i would like to convey my appreciation for all the people that have been involved in making this research available to others. It helped me to find a bit of what i partly belong to with my blood and soul - my melting peoples. Nevertheless having some part of my origin placed in the Red Book i do not look forward promoting and expanding little of what is left rather declare that i am Muslim and there is nothing like being a Muslim regardless of your nationality. I invite you to Islam, religion free of national and racial superiorities, religion of Humankind, Peace and Obedience to One and Only - Lord (Great and Glorious is He).

MOCKBA
<m.oscow::russia.com>
World -- Thursday, May 24, 2001 at 13:36:54 (EET)


Russia in the shape of the USSR was a great balancing power of the world in the past. But the expansion lust of the leaders of the time made it a chaotic and depending country now . The attack on Afghanistan ,abrupt change into capitalism after defeat in Afghanistan and taking no cognisance of the changing geo-political situation were the great foolies, which the Russian made in the past. It not only dismembered the USSR in to a number of fragments but also added in to the miseries of not only the Afghan people but her own people also . It may be mentioned the afghan people, historically ,have not bowed before any power. Russia can build up her economy by shuning the warn friendship with India ( who are these days becoming a satellite of America ), recognising the factual position on ground of the Afghanistan, membership of RCO countries and with the help of Pakistan experts, who have a lot of diversiified experience in this field .

Zainullah Khan
<zainullahs::yahoo.com>
Pakistan -- Sunday, May 20, 2001 at 16:19:20 (EET)


I'm writing only for a friend:Mr.Franco Bigatti. FRANCO BIGATTI, Ph.D.(P.O.B. 149,I-17100 SAVONA,Italy needs to receive urgently a copy of The Red Book. Payment under your conditions. Thank you. Tell me if it is impossibile to e-mail:d.dany::inwind.it

Daniela Dosoli
<d.dany::inwind.it>
Italy -- Wednesday, May 16, 2001 at 21:34:12 (EET)


Many of my cousins have changed their last name to Farinick. Grew up in Perth Amboy, New Jersey, father is Andrew Farinich (Farinics) Grand father on fathers side is George

Gerald Farinich
<polarbearservices::gci.net>
USA -- Wednesday, May 16, 2001 at 03:21:49 (EET)


cool site

jaya
<dthworld::hotmail.com>
germany -- Saturday, May 12, 2001 at 18:32:45 (EET)


Hello to everyone, This is a very interesting and informative site. Whilst reading a text on the 'SHUGHNIS' in the red book, I came across a name called the valley of Shokhdar (Shakhdar) and my name being SHEKHDAR, is it at all possible that this district near the river Pyandzh, has any bearing or relation to my name? Especially, because I am a Zoroastrian and my ancestory is Iranian, I am just wondering if atall anybody could throw some light on this matter. I have tried many times to ask my relations, but none of their replies came anywhere near this relevant name of SHAKHDAR. My grandfather was born in India, and lived near Bombay and then migrated to Karachi, but somewhere along the line he changed his name from Patel to Shekhdar. In that context, I am just wondering if the old man came from the district of Shakhdar, in Central Asia, which was then under the rule of the Russian Empire. By the way, I read about it in the text of the SHUGHNIS. I would be most grateful and interested if there are any more Shekhdars in that region of the world. Furthermore it would be interesting to know the existence of ZOROASTRIANS, near the area of Azerbaijan and the surrounding regions of Central Asia. I thank you in advance. Homi Shekhdar.

Homi H Shekhdar
<homi::shekhdar.freeserve.co.uk>
United Kingdom -- Sunday, May 06, 2001 at 20:28:44 (EET)


Really fantastic the material about the endangered people !! I`m doing an extensive research about the Finno Ugrian people and this amterial was very important. Best Regards Gus

Gustavo Dias
<gaussdias::hotmail.com>
Brazil -- Friday, May 04, 2001 at 00:02:14 (EET)


I HAVE SOME Q. WHAT IS IT LIKE IN RUSSIA??? WHAT IS THE WHETHER LIKE SOMETIMES??? WHAT KIND OF FOOD DO YOU EAT??? WHAT KIND OF CLOTHES DO YOU WEAR??? HOW ARE YOU DIFFERENT FROM ME???

MIRIAM PHILLIPS
MEMPHIS -- Wednesday, May 02, 2001 at 01:35:36 (EET)


Hello, I recommend you to read this sites and sign the guestbook: http://truth.macedonia.gr/ http://Makedonia.cc.ece.ntua.gr http://www.real.macedonia.gr/ http://www.abest.com/~angelos/macfaq.html http://history.macedonia.gr/faq.htm P.S. Please tell me what you think and which of them you find best. You can email me to the ad poseidon::mail.vu

Poseidon
<Poseidon::mail.vu>
Macedonia (N. Greece) -- Tuesday, May 01, 2001 at 20:28:40 (EET)


The Portland Trailblazers have been yet eliminated from the championship again And Arvydas Sabonis"SABAS" had a lackluster performance If only the world could have saw him in his prime ALAS another sad footnote and casualty of the senseless"COLD WAR"

JM
<Joemer::msn.com>
U.S.A. -- Tuesday, May 01, 2001 at 19:04:47 (EET)


I LIKE TO READ RED BOOK.

ROBBIE HUBBARD
<3339 NEWCOMB DRIVE>
ALASKA -- Saturday, April 28, 2001 at 23:37:47 (EET)


I am a Bush Pilot living in Barrow Alaska,having lived previously in areas inhabited by Yupik people i was interested in reading about their brothers living in Russia,i hope to be able to visit that area some day

glenn p meehan
<glennav8::hotmail.com>
USA -- Saturday, April 28, 2001 at 09:02:39 (EET)


Very informative. Window to a different world of diversities. A. Siddhik, Shajrah, UAE

Abubaker Siddhik
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United Arab Emirates. -- Friday, April 27, 2001 at 08:29:02 (EET)


Hello, Your online-Book on the nations is very interesting and I'm happy, that I found it in the track of Eesti-Skauts -> Linguistik Institute -> etc Besides: I read here this remark: >AND I DO NOT UNDERSTAND WHY YOU PEOPLE DO NOT ACCEPT THE TRUE THEORY OF URALALTAIC LANGUAGE FAMILY(or with other words:SUMERIAN FAMILY!!)< When learning the Sumerian I thought, thee is some similarity to the "agglutinite" syntax of Esthonia /Soomi. Sumerian language is one of the eldest in the world (~5-3.000 bChr) and in no relation to inner-asiatic later coming nations. (Besides: the River Ob named As, too, and I assume this was the former boarder of Nations) - in Sumerian times the people name their own land KALAMA - the idea "Fish-Land" isn't so bad (not so bad as the rest of that letter... - he/she seems not to love my kallis Estimaa?) - I have a book that mentioned in early Soviet times 137 nations as captured by russian-sozialistic imperium? Would You say that's correct? When I compare Yours it must be correct. greetinx - palju tervitusi :.) WiT

NN
<UHuTaimre::aol.com>
Germany -- Friday, April 27, 2001 at 02:42:23 (EET)


My father, Dr. John J. Jaffin, had changed his name from Perez and was from Latvia. I've been trying to research the name and in a search, I was given this site as a result, but I'm not sure why. Perhaps it was fate, perhaps a mistake. My father was 69 and I 14 when he died and I know little about his lineage. Perhaps this small entry will assist me in finding out my father's roots.

Jonathan Jaffin
<JJJaffin2::home.com>
Latvia -- Thursday, April 26, 2001 at 05:47:07 (EET)


Thank you for your information. I was very impressed with the Nenets after viewing the movie 7 Songs of the Tundra, I have searched everywhere locally to try and find videos on Siberia and information on the recent peoples and lives of the Nenets. I am doing a presentation in my cultural anthroplogy class 4-28-01. At this late date I am going to utilize all the information from the film and the internet. Thank you to all who care about peoples different from themselves. We never know when we may be on the endangered list of human species. L

Lynda D
<lyndesch::yahoo.com>
United States (Concord, Ca 94520) -- Friday, April 20, 2001 at 02:21:25 (EET)


It's really necessary for Mongolian nations to get independent from Russia and China to save their national identities. Mongolia achieved fictive independence in 1921 and real independence in 1945. It's time to do the same ( get independent ) for Buryats, Kalmyks and Inner Mongolians. It is important to create Mongolian nations clean and pure from Russians and Chinese.

Mongolia! Buryatia! Inner Mongolia! Kalmykia!
Mongolia -- Wednesday, April 18, 2001 at 12:41:08 (EET)


A very nice and interesting site. Too bad some people can still not make the difference between language studiy and racist nonsens. The language in the gusetbook is shocking !!!! Some people might need a visit to a place called Auschitz to see what the result of their talk is.

Eric
<cg1794::hotmail.com>
Belgium -- Monday, April 16, 2001 at 15:09:55 (EET)


Thank you Miss X. I have been doing some research on the nuclear genetic make up of Finnish people, and it shows that Finns indeed are 25% Siberian (mongoloid) and other 75 % are Germanic and Baltic. As far as your skin color is concern (yellowish green tone or olive ) is most likely from your Macedonian heritage, since they are heavily influenced from the Turks and Greeks. Generally, Southern Europeans have darker skin complexion than the Northern Asians.

YMB
<artistica35::aol.com>
USA -- Monday, April 09, 2001 at 21:23:52 (EET)


First I want to say that this was an interesting site.. I agree with much but not all ofcourse. I think it could have been a bit more detailed and explainatory. Also many messages here at this guestBook are extremely ugly. I do want to say thanks to YMBs input, which I know is true. I am part Karelian Finnish & part Arumanian and Macedonian. My looks are very much mixed. It doesnt take many generations for certain "ethnic" (if one can call it that) traits to disappear. I know from looking at myself, but also ..on others :o) I have very much the traits ...of an Asian ...indeed. Very short of somewhat "stocky build" (though I am athletic and not overweight), with a very light complexion (yes all are NOT "swarthy") but I can get VERY dark if spending much time in the sun my adoptive mother use to say my colour was yellow-green in comparison to her Swedish ..reddish-pink). My eyes are small and so is my mouth (I dont mean "thin lipped") and I do have HIGH cheekbones. I have "fine" hair, but no ..no blue eyes or blond hair. Another IMPORTANT thing that I think is being underestimated is for instance, the similarities in the myths and history of the peoples of the Eurasian Steppes... Please read MORE of that ..and then you will see. Love, - xa

miss x
under bamboo -- Saturday, April 07, 2001 at 12:49:15 (EET)


Hey Mongolia I hope spring comes early & fast for the sake of your dying livestock !!! A fortunate YANKEE!

JM
<Joemer::msn.com>
USA -- Saturday, March 31, 2001 at 08:26:09 (EET)


I do not censor these entries, but a huge amount of text in Japanese just does not fit into this guestbook. If you consider your text relevant, please put it up separately and post only the hyperlink here.
webmaster::eki.ee
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-- Friday, March 30, 2001 at 01:38:23 (EET)


I can't find the great nation of communists in the list. Just add the communists to your crazy list!!!

Jukka Ryhkl
<Jukka Ryhkl::gty.rt.fi>
Finnland -- Thursday, March 29, 2001 at 02:24:42 (EET)


Your listing must include over 50 different ethnic groups, but does not include the Rom. Do you deny that these people live in Russia or perhaps that they are not people?

Please include the Romani on your site.

Thanks

Tim
<burcht::matc.edu>
U.S.A. -- Wednesday, March 28, 2001 at 20:59:47 (EET)


could you, please, say how you're goin' to deal with Russian intolerance, while bein' so weak! if you see a pair of Asians speakin' Russian in Moscow, you can be sure those're Buryats. i'm half Buryat myself, i'm proud of bein' asian, i've faced a lot of chauvinism myself livin' in Russia. and it hurts, when i have to deal with Russian chauvinism in Buryatia itself. but it hurts even more when i realize that buryats, especially, the youth, 're ashamed of their own language (how many buryats who speak proper Buryat d'u know?), of their own culture, of their own relatives, of their own land! isn't it a tragedy, that one of the most beautiful n richest(with resources) places in the world's in such a terrible condition! it's not only the russians' fault, but ours as well. we're indifferent, lazy and self-centered. it's easy to blame "the big brother" (btw Russians do face chauvinism as well when goin' abroad), but hard to realize your own mistakes n make a 1st step to a better life

Irina
<shiretor::mtu-net.ru>
Moscow, Russia -- Tuesday, March 27, 2001 at 00:33:31 (EET)


Hello!
It's me again! The Great Mongolia shall arise crushing those dirty Russians and Chinese! All Mongolian nations unite to defeat the enemies of our land! And you, foreigners, shut up!

Mongolia! Buryatia! Inner Mongolia! Kalmykia!
Mongolia! -- Friday, March 23, 2001 at 14:45:29 (EET)


Hello, Thank you for your interest in the Lithuanian Tatars and the Karaims. My mother's family is from Lithuania, and all my life I ever heard was that we are 'Tatars'. Then when I went to visit family in Lithuania this summer, they told me my grandmother's side was the 'Hebrew or Karai' from Trakai. This went along with what my grandmother had also said throughout my life. My family has all passed away now, and I feel as though I am of a dying breed. Even the family in Lithuania is not a part of this heritage. This all makes me very sad, and I wish that there was some way for me to re-connect with that part of my heritage. After all, my mother, grandmother and I all grew up together, so, this is really mostly what I can relate with as far as my ancestory goes. It is quite a shame that now, when I am 32 years old, which is still quite young, that there is no one left here for me to ask about all of this. I have been searching for sites like this one for at least a couple of years now. This is really the first one that has some actual substance to it.

If anyone has any information about these subjects that they wouldn't mind sharing with me, I would greatly appreciate your thoughts.

Thank you so much, Elaina e_sabutiteh::hotmail.com

Elaina
<e_sabutiteh::hotmail.com>
USA -- Tuesday, March 20, 2001 at 03:55:51 (EET)


Hi, Greetings from Finland.

Jari Peltonen
FINLAND -- Friday, March 16, 2001 at 21:15:43 (EET)


Just to add that the Finns are excellent hockey players as are most of the Europeans unlike the Schwedes .In the words of Don Cherry when Tie Domi flattened Ulf Nilsson "he's a chicken swede and he got what he deserved for his cheapshots" ! Another is the punk Eric LINDROS he should retire from the N.H.L.

Joe sixpak
<Joemer::msn.com>
u.s.a. -- Wednesday, March 14, 2001 at 16:28:52 (EET)


you finns are out of business! Go and **r* **f****kk r***pp y*****u **t***p!

Wright
<Wrihgt::worldusa.com>
-- Wednesday, March 14, 2001 at 15:52:41 (EET)


the whores has always blue eyes...this means simply.... that , all people with blue eyes are whores.

VOO-HOO
-- Wednesday, March 14, 2001 at 01:39:12 (EET)


..........to fuck..........good to fuck a whores only...............

I like blue eyes..................
-- Wednesday, March 14, 2001 at 01:25:23 (EET)


FINNS ARE IDIOTS! THIS IS A IDIOT SITE! Finns, Why don`t you just go and fuck yourself and your fucking ugly blue eyes!!!!

VOO-HOO
<voodoo::freeze.com>
-- Wednesday, March 14, 2001 at 00:20:35 (EET)


You're an idiot....

King James IV
-- Tuesday, March 13, 2001 at 20:51:32 (EET)


has no idea? so a Finn has no idea of what his/hers race is...damnit....you are the one who has no idea. I'm sure he/she can look in the mirror.

Ps. what you told is just hypothetical stuff.... the origins of the Finns is a thing to be debated on for hundreds of years....just like the origin of all species.

King Richard III
-- Tuesday, March 13, 2001 at 11:44:15 (EET)


hi to all my friends jest to say that all afghani is not bed some afghani do something very one thing that all afghani bed we can not say that ok daer. this nice page i like it i would like that all my friends see me home page plzz don't thank that all afghani is bad some of then is bad yes bed not all of then have nice to all my friends in world bey yours sikander bassia

sikander
<sikander_bassia::yahoo.com>
Islamabad but from afghanistan -- Monday, March 05, 2001 at 08:43:41 (EET)


ever heard of those ones?

Volga-Bolgars=ancient Tatars
Khan Kubrat
.....

but you wont't get anything, anyway!

the site is simply stupid... one of the many american inventions... you just staying on the top of the iceberg, and you don't have to more: USA has nothing to do with our emotions... the same as here, on the Balkans: YOU ARE LIKE ALIENS FOR THESE THINGS

for slavonic-speakers here: DA GI EBEME, BRATJA

edinchovek
<6we4o::dir.bg>
Bulgaria -- Friday, March 02, 2001 at 00:09:59 (EET)


THE GREAT DARKNESS!Nothing more!

vacuum
<nothing>
EMPTY SPACE -- Wednesday, February 28, 2001 at 03:56:52 (EET)


What is Santeria and how is it related to Voodoo?

Voodoo and Santeria are both African-based religions adapted and, to varying degrees, syncretized with Catholicism. Both religions used images Catholic saints to represent the African gods, loas, or santos. Sometimes more than just the images are used and a true meld or syncretism occurs. Depending on your viewpoint, you may see the combining of African tradition with Native Caribbean and Catholic religion as something new, invigorating, and well-adapted to Haiti or Cuba (and even the United States). You may also see it as merely a corruption of the "pure" African Yorumba traditions.

I've found this link on African Religious Syncretism, an article comparing Santeria, Voodoo and Macumba--favoring Santeria as more "pure" because of the use of Yoruban names and language in the religion. Interesting read. There is also a Brazilian publisher with an Orixa page in Portugese.

What is Hoodoo and how is it related to Voodoo?

Hoodoo is a folk version of Voodoo that focuses on the conjuring and herbal magic. Some wouldn't equate Voodoo with Hoodoo, but I'd have to say that hoodoo is a simplifed version of part of the Voodoo focusing on the magical. New Orleans Voodoo is a bridge between Haitian Voodoo and folk hoodoo. New Orleans Voodoo still has religious and ritual elements like Haitian Voodoo, but also puts strong emphasis on gris-gris and magic. New Orleans Voodoo seems to have been reinvigorated when St. Dominique revolted and the volders fled, many to French-speaking New Orleans.

VOO-HOO
-- Wednesday, February 28, 2001 at 03:33:01 (EET)


Hello! Nice work! But ..... what is nations like Cannabis, Yaghnabis, Yazgulamis, Yukaghirs ? Sounds like these are not from this planet... And many of these "nations" has only 1 or 2 speakers!

Hjurr(the vozchiats)
-- Wednesday, February 28, 2001 at 02:29:24 (EET)


Yeah right Mongolia is gonna rise again like Dixie they can't even keep from freezing to death.Besides they seem to have a lot of atoning to do to.apologizing for their actions .

jm
<joemer::msn.com>
u.s.a. -- Tuesday, February 27, 2001 at 07:32:51 (EET)


Russians, get out of Buryatia and Kalmykia! Hail independent Buryatia! Hail independent Kalmykia! Chinese, get out of Inner Mongolia! Hail independent Inner Mongolia! If you think that Panmongolian or Great Mongolian movement disappeared, then you're wrong. Great Mongolian movement still exists. It lives in minds of many people. The Great Mongolian idea silently developes until its sudden awakening. And, oh boy, what an awakening it will be! Russians and the Chinese will be wiped out and Great Mongolia will arise!

Mongolia! Buryatia! Kalmykia! Inner Mongolia!
Mongolia. -- Tuesday, February 27, 2001 at 05:22:00 (EET)


No comments on the first time.

Vladimir Grafski
<drumgraf::WebTV.com>
USA -- Tuesday, February 27, 2001 at 00:00:04 (EET)


McOwen has a no clue as to what he's talking about regarding Finnish. Finns are interracially mixed with Mongoloid people from the Ural mountains area, similar to Samoyed people and further intermingled with indigenious people of Scandanavia. And not all darker traits are dominant, that theory was proven wrong in recent scientic studies. My cousins are half Danish and half Korean, but all of them has blue eyes and green eyes, very fair skin and sandy blonde to light brown hair.

YMB
USA -- Monday, February 26, 2001 at 21:55:21 (EET)


Yazdiklariniz ayiptir.

Henry A. Cittone
<cittoneh::aol.com>
USA -- Thursday, February 22, 2001 at 19:52:44 (EET)


Yo my man this is an acdemic website there is no need for that racist,sectarian,bullshit on this website unless that is what you are only about!

Joe m
<JOEMER::Msn.com>
Phila.,Pa. U.S.A. -- Thursday, February 15, 2001 at 07:35:55 (EET)


I just wonna say that russians are assholes, and i like fucking russian girls, they realy know how to give a blow job. THEY CALL US THE FACE OF THE CAUCASSIANS NATIONALATY. LETSO KAVKASKAYA NATSONALATY OR BLACK ASS My ass is much cleaner then any russian face at least when i go to have a shit i wash my ass after that .

Lekan
North Caucasus -- Thursday, February 15, 2001 at 02:04:51 (EET)


DA IDITE VY NA HUI ,NADO BUDET OPJAT PIZDY POLUCHITE , A SEICHAS NE DO VAS CHUHNA EBANAJA.....

Ivan
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Russia -- Tuesday, February 13, 2001 at 16:36:21 (EET)


Hey "I don't care"thanks for the info.Another reason to be ashamed of being an a"ugly american" but this is one hell of a website maybe they are eligible for funding from the U.S. government(they give so much money to useless causes ) this is a highly educational tool.P.S. Keep up the pressure on the Soviet War criminals .A lot of people in the West think that they don't exist...but there out there and should face justice too.

J.Merenda
<JOEMER::MSN.COM>
U.S.A. -- Monday, February 12, 2001 at 05:36:46 (EET)


The hiv-"rapper" Doggy Steve or Steve Thomas as his mother would call him has not been killed in prison. It's a hard life!

I don't care!
Finland -- Saturday, February 10, 2001 at 01:03:17 (EET)


Looking for information on the peoples of the Komi republic. You mention then in connection with the Nenets, but have no entry on them.

Norman
<kaganate::yahoo.com>
USA -- Wednesday, February 07, 2001 at 23:55:26 (EET)


Congratulations for this site!.I'm very interesed in the peoples of the ancient USSR,and this is the best site i have ever read about these peoples.

ORIOL RIBAS
SPAIN -- Wednesday, February 07, 2001 at 14:04:17 (EET)


I am curious as to the fate of the Black american rap singer who infected over 60 Finnish women with A.I.D.S. I understand that he drew a jail sentence ..and rightly so but I also heard he was killed in prison in Finland? I would like to be enlightened concerning this.

J.Merenda
<joemer::MSN.com>
Pennsylvania,U.S.A. -- Monday, February 05, 2001 at 08:12:57 (EET)


The Ural-Altaic page with the latest language hypothesis and info on the groups is found here. THough this would be interesting if you people would be interested in linguistics.
http://www2.4dcomm.com/millenia/lang.htm

Adolf Ehnrooth
-- Friday, February 02, 2001 at 13:00:06 (EET)


Mikael = Moron THis site = good, but misunderstood and missinformative in some parts. Mikael = can't read history books, can't read at all. Mikael = ignorant as expected from a Swede. Mikael = bullshitter Mikael = Wannabe-Black Oh...and Finnish history can be read online at http://ky.hkkk.fi/~k21206/finhist.html

Mikael's friend that sucks him off
Finjvlar som suger Mikael's lilla kuk ALL THE TIME -- Thursday, February 01, 2001 at 22:04:56 (EET)


Fuck Mark! Finland was 600 years under Kingdom of Sweden and finns were slaves under swedes. That`s why they have blue eyes! Put it in your ass body! Real nigger YEAH!

Mikael Ehrnrooth
Sweden -- Thursday, February 01, 2001 at 15:51:06 (EET)


Here's a piece for you Mongolia freaks and induviduals whom are crazed and want to generalize and say that all people are either this or that!

Translated from the book. SUOMALAISET, OUTO POHJOLAN KANSA Rotuteoriat ja kansallinen identiteetti By Aira Kemilinen SHS/Helsinki 1994

CHAPTER XIII, section 3 3. " On vaikeata ksitt, miksi suomalaiset kuuluisivat mongolilaiseen rotuun" (J. J. Mikkola, G. J. Ramstedt) (in english= "It is hard to understand, why the Finns would belong to the Mongolian race") This was said by J. J. Mikkola in the calendar of the Society of Public Education in which he wrote with the headline "Olemmeko mongoleja?" (eng. Are we mongols?) 57 When Finns do not look like the Japanese or the Mongols and when the Finns are infact big and the color of their hair and eyes and the structure of their bones is different and the Finnish language is distant from Mongolian then why would the Finns be Mongols? The researcher of Mongol languages G. J. Ramstedt thought the same way. The Mongols themself - he concluded - had said that there is no such thing as a non-mongolid human head, so everyone is a mongol! He did not like the thought that there were no other human races or language groups. It could have then been as reasonable to support the claim of Tibetians that the humans descent from an ancient Tibetian god and from a Monkey that resides in the mountains of Tibet. He also corrected the comprehensions over the appearance of mongols. Many mongols, especially in families of higher social position and people who spent a lot of time indoors were lighter skinned than southern-Europeans, although the Europeans are referred usually on being white and the mongols as yellow. Shouldn't the blond haired and blue-grey eyed nation of the North be quite the opposite to the mongols rather than a close relative? 58 In Finland the strangest comments about the race of te Finns were usually laughed at. In the 20th century this attitude changed dramatically. Arvi Grotenfelt had rejected the inequality of races, but not the mongolity of the Finns in 1905. During the next couple of years Mikkola and Ramstedt started an attack towards the mongol theory. They were prestigeous enough, because Mikkola was well acquinted with languages and an expert in Slavic languages and Ramstedt's specialty were the Mongols themselves.

The studies by Westerlund and Wilskman gave a result that invalidated the old theories concering the population of Finland. Yrj Kajava had presented to the Duodecim society in 1914 that a large anthropological research should be started in Finland. 60 The beginnig of the study was slow due to the WW1, civil war in Finland and independence. At 1924 the Finnish Academy of Science selected a committee for the research of the racial characteristics of the Finns and granted them 19 000 marks for the research. The initiative to start the research was done by the Duodecim society in 1914 and it had hoped that the research would be started with the Finnish Society of Ancient monuments (Suomen Muinaismuistoyhdistys) and the Finno-Ugrian society. The following people were selected to the committee of 1924: Yrj Kajava, doctor J. J. Karvonen, geographist J. G. Grno and ethnologist U. T. Sirelius. The measurements were started with the aid of candidates of medicine and students around the country and the measurements were continued until the 1930's. Aroud 15 000 people were studied and the research was much wider than previously. Around 50 measurements were taken out of every person. Outside of Finland about half of the Livs were measured in 1937. In addition to this excavations were made in graveyards (like in Petsamo). As a result many series of studies were published. Until the year 1940 the goverment had given 500 000 marks for the research . 61 In the 1930's many researches were published from the field and the last were published in the 1950's. 62 At the same year as the previously mentioned research work was started J. J. Karvonen held a lecture at the spring meeting of the Duodecim society in 1924. The main part of the lecture was about the height of the Finns and Karvonen thought about which race did the Finns originate from. He seems to have approved 4 races in Europe Nordic (Ripley's Teutonic), Western (Mediterranean race), Alpine and Dinaric race. He based his divisions on Virchow, Broca, Deniker, Ripley and Gnther. The short Finns he places in the Alpine race, but he thinks that there has originally existed a common proto-race. And after bringing up the subject of prehistoric races he seeks for connections between the Lapps and the Neanderthals and puts the Finns into the short and long members of the Aurignac-race. The previous was visible among the people of Savo and Carelia unless they were Alpine. The comprehension of Asiatic origin he referred to as an old fairy tale, which cannot be upkeeped anymore. The small size, small hands, the color and epicanthic fold of the Mongols point that Finns do not belong to this race. 63 The views of Karvonen were also published in German. It is obvious that the Finnish researchers of the 1920's attempted on making the Finnish research known outside of Finland.

Notes:
57. Kansainvalistusseuran Kalenteri 1909. (Helsinki, 1908), 177-179.
58. Ibid. 182-185. The writing by Ramstedt is found in pg. 180-185.
59. Eino Leino, Kootut teokset. XVI. Sanomalehtikirjoitelmia. The selection of articles was edited by Olli Nuorto. (Helsinki, 1930), 1950-186. Leino mentioned that the interview of Lille had been published in a Russian "Golos Moskvy" newspaper and translated to the newspaper "Helsingin Sanomat" (128/1910). According to it the Finnish nation was nothing but a "cursed race", to which it was irrelevant, if it was under Russia or Turkeys rule, only if they had a cabin, pipe and 50 marks in their pockets.
60. Vrt. Jouko I. Kilpelinen, Mongoleja vai germaaneja?, 192-193.
61. Oiva Ketonen, Suomalainen Tiedeakatemia 1908-1958. (Helsinki, 1959), 166-167.
62. In the 1930's the work on Carelia by T. Y. Roschier was published "Anthropologische Untersuchungen an Bewohnern der Landschaft Karjala". Ann. Acad. Scient. Fenn. A:1932:35 N:o 2; A. O. Arho's study on the people of Finland proper and land islands "Anthropologische Untersuchungen in den Landschaften land und Varsinais-Suomi".
Ann. Cad. Scient. Fenn. A:1934:40 N:o 2; The studies of Niilo Pesonen concerning Savo and Satakunta "Anthropologische Untersuchungen an Bewohnern der Landschaft Satakunta". Ann. Acad. Scient. Fenn. A:1935:43 N:o 2; "Anthropologische Untersuchungen in der Landschaft Savo", Idem 1937:47 N:o 3; The studies of L. Lfgren concerning the population of Nyland "ber die Anthropologie der Bewohnern von Uusimaa". Ann Acad. Scient. Fenn. A:1937:47 N:o 4; The studies on Lapps by E. R. Ntnen "ber die Anthropologie de Lappen in Suomi". Ann. Acad. Scient. Fenn.A:1937:47 N:o 2; , Published in the 50's by M. Mustalkallio and A. Telkk, "Anthropologische Untersuchung von Bewohnern Sd-Ostbottniens". Ann. Acad. Scient. Fenn. A:V:1951 N:o 24; A. Telkk, "Anthropologische Untersuchung von Bewohnern der Landschaft Hme". Ann. Acad. Scient. Fenn. A:V:1953 N:o 30 And E. Kivalo, "Anthropologische Untersuchung von Bewohner der Landschaft Nord-Ostbottnien". Ann. Acad. Scient. Fenn. A:V:1957 N:o 62; The research of Pesonen on Livonians "Die Somatologie der Liven" printed in 1939: Ann. Acad. Scient. Fenn. 1939:50 N:o 1; And in addition many researches concerning special issues were made.
63. J. J. Karvonen, "Ajatuksia suomalaisten rotukysymyksest". Duodecim 1924:40, 555, 557-561; The comprehensions of Karvonen were also published in German "Zur Rassenfrage der Finnen" Tiedeakatemian A-sarjassa 1927:25 N:o 6; At the same year Viljo Tolvanen presented in Valvoja-Aika the informations "Suomalaisten rodun alkuperst", which had been presented by Madison Grant (New York) in 1917. The Finns were said to be close to the European "races". The Finnish language was said to be proto-Aryan or a phase between the language groups. According to Tolvanen the theory was good for strenghtening the national self-conscience, which at the time was weak. The editorial staff felt the American's presentation to be a pure work of imagination. (s. 102-106).

McOwen
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Finland (I'm a Finn!) -- Thursday, February 01, 2001 at 15:45:20 (EET)


Mack Strikes Back
ON what anthropological study does Waymoron base his info on only 15% blue-eyes? FInland has as many light-eyed people as Sweden. (My point is the lack of brown and black eyes which proves it all , except to...)I base mine on anthropological studies by Westerlund, Wilskman, etc..etc...I'm more than glad to post you them! I got facts...you got jacked! Hah...totally asian......sure....and may I remind you that licking frogs is harmfull to your health and causes hallucination.

PS. If you don't know what light-colours are then go to school.

Mack
Finland -- Thursday, February 01, 2001 at 15:39:03 (EET)


Thank you from the Basque Country for providing internet surfers with this source of data about nations it is relatively difficult to find information about. As a professor or Constitutional Law and member of a minority myself it was really interesting to browse your pages.

Aitor Esteban
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Euzkadi. Basque Country -- Tuesday, January 30, 2001 at 11:13:11 (EET)


Who knows something about a finnish scientist, Olav Karstens work from early 1900, who found that finnish languages should be placed in Altaic languagegroup with languages such as mongolian,japanese,korean(and not as specific uralic group)...

hjk
-- Monday, January 29, 2001 at 03:24:33 (EET)


I do not agree with McOwen. 80 % finns are not blue-eyed! They are 15% blue-eyed, the rest is black-, brown-, grey-, greeneyed!

vaynam
<vaynam::hig.fi>
finland -- Monday, January 29, 2001 at 00:41:33 (EET)


Hello!
I am a vozhchiats and your page lacked information about vozhchiats language!

last vozhchiats?No WAY!
-- Sunday, January 28, 2001 at 23:40:40 (EET)


finnish languages are NOT eskimos or indian or uralic or whatever and definitely NOT jewish (as some say also)?. I suggest somebody( if interested) to go to Altaic area and to study samojedic and tuva and other those languages, you will find that the border between those languages is impossible to find. Then,where is the border between those so called "uralic" and "altaic" languages? The original home of nomadic finnish people (about 1000 years ago) can be secured somewhere in South Central Siberia..

hjk
-- Sunday, January 28, 2001 at 22:35:46 (EET)


You are on the wrong way, my friend. I have myself lived in Finnland and I can tell that the Finn race is total Asian.no doubt about it. Even when they have blue eyes and blond hair! I mean you can`t secure a RACE only to look at the color of the hair or color of the eyes.You have to look to the form of eyes and face and so on. OF some finns you can say,they are "BLUE EYED ASIAN RACE". Thats a fakt. But remember not all finns are blueeyed! Before the todays finns ancestors came to Finnland and conqured that land ( ca 1000 years ago) there was an european race witch was mainly blueeyed and that is surely one of explanations why todays finns( not all) are mixed.

hjk
-- Sunday, January 28, 2001 at 20:21:25 (EET)


I'm sorry to disappoint you mongolia freaks who cant read (or so it seems). THe Ural-Altaic theory (yes! A THEORY) was abandoned by the very same people who came up with it the first place. And btw..How come over 80 % of FInns are blue-eyed if their ancestry is of dark mongolid origin. You see such features as black hair and eyes are dominant over blue-eyes and there is no way to explain the FInns to be of mongol origin by using just simple 3rd grade biology lessons. There is no amount of mixing that could result in 80% light-eyed nation. If the ancestry is of the "Yellow race" then it is of dominant racial ingredient and hence it's genetic heritage should dominate the modernday Finns!.

You people are a bunch of hypothesis believing theoretists and probably the saddest thing is the fact that you believe all theories. Theory is a theory and a fact is a fact. Theory becomes a fact when it's proven to be scientifically true. And there you have it.

No bad feelings ay?

McOwen

McOwen
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Finland -- Sunday, January 28, 2001 at 16:35:13 (EET)


I am seeking persons with the surname of Provinski. Like to find out if you are connected to me and if you had ancestors who left France and went to Russsia. NJ

NJ
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USA -- Thursday, January 25, 2001 at 06:53:32 (EET)


wud up yo!

Nick
usa -- Wednesday, January 24, 2001 at 21:01:35 (EET)


As for me, I believe in the theory of Ural-Altaic language and ethnic macrofamily, but I would put the name "Sumerian family" under a strict criticism. If somebody finds the description "Ural-Altaic" too large, then I propose "Siberian macrofamily". After all, Mongolian, Turkic, Tungus-Manchu, Japanese, Korean, Finno-Ugric and Samoyedic nations come from a "gens sibirica". And the main purpose of my article in this guestbook! Russians, go away from Buryatia and Kalmykia! Chinese, go away from Inner Mongolia!

Mongolia! Buryatia! Kalmykia! Inner Mongolia!
Mongolia -- Sunday, January 21, 2001 at 10:21:56 (EET)


Hello! This is a good site that opens some Russophiles' eyes at the inhumane national policy of the Russian Federation. Russians like to brag that they are friendly towards other nations and respect them. That's a lie. In reality, Russians are ruthless to minorities and further contacts of other nations with Russians ( and the Chinese, too) is dangerous.

The Russian Federation has put its destructing control over such Mongolian nations as Buryats and Kalmyks. A vast Buryat land is divided by Russians into three administrative territories. This division was taken to enslave Buryats and destroy Buryat culture. Buryat lands are filled with dirty Russians. Kalmyks were deported from their Caspian steppes to Siberia in 1940's. The aim is same. To devastate Kalmyk national identity. Mongolians who live in the Inner Mongolian autonomous region of China suffer from the Communist Chinese national oppression. Only Outer Mongolia ( Mongolia ) is now the only independent Mongolian state. To save national identities, Buryats, Kalmyks and Inner Mongolians must be free. Hail Great Mongolia!

These facts are omitted by Russians and the Chinese. and the people, especially from West, continue to be exultated from Russia and China, not knowing that they are the aggressors towards other nations. Be aware of Russians and the Chinese, my readers!

But, nevertheless, as one great philosopher said, all empires sooner or later fall! You know what I mean!

The Mongolian Avenger.
Mongolia. -- Sunday, January 14, 2001 at 11:35:45 (EET)


Total Rubbbbissssh !BLa bla ,bla bla ,bla, bla I'm sure U can't blieve even your story.

Cem H. zdemir.
<cemzdemirBerlin::t-online.de>
Deutschland -- Thursday, January 04, 2001 at 16:27:32 (EET)


HI! I READ A PAGE IN THIS WEBSITE AND I FOUND THAT IT LACKED THE INFORMATION I NEEDED. BUT IT IS STILL QUITE INTERESTING. ACTUALLY, I WANTED TO FIND OUT ABOUT THE JEWS AND THEIR HISTORY (BACKGROUND, WORLD WAR 2). SO I WAS VERY DISAPPOINTED. BUT I DECIDED TO SIGN YOUR GUESTBOOK. I HOPE YOU WILL READ THIS AND YOU WILL ADD SOME INFORMATION ABOUT THE BACKGROUND OR HISTORY OF THE JEWS SO THAT THE NEXT PERSON WHO NEEDS ALL THESE INFORMATION WILL NOT BE AS DISAPPOINTED AS ME. STILL, I RECOMMEND THIS WEBSITE.

Amanda Tan
<mandyt::hotmail.com>
America -- Wednesday, January 03, 2001 at 15:10:31 (EET)


SO CALLED SLAVIC GUESTS(REFUGEES OF BALKAN) AND THEIR FASHIST MURDER REGIMS HAVE EXIST NO MORE THAN 200 YEARS IN TODAYS ROSSIA FEDERAT.

THE TRUE IS THAT THEY (SLAVE-RUSSIANS) HAVE POPULATED IN THIS AREA NO MORE THAN 200 YEARS,WHILE PEOPLES OF SUMERIAN(URALALTAIC) ORIGIN HAVE EXIST IN THIS AREA AT LEAST 2000-3000 YEARS. THE FASHIST MURDERERS HAVE TO BE STOPPED BEFORE THEY EXTERMINATE ALL THOSE INNOCENT NATIONS ON THEIR ANCIENT HOMELANDS.

AND I ALSO WANT TO SAY TO ALL YOU PEOPLE: YOU HAVE TO MAKE EVERYTHING THAT YOU CAN AGAINST THOSE SATANIC PANSLAVIC PROPAGANDISTS,BECAUSE THE MURDERERS LIKE THESE NEVER STOP BEFORE YOU DONT STOP THEM BY YOURSELF. AND ALWAYS REMEMBER: ONLY YOUSELF CAN MAKE SOME CHANGES AND NOT ANYBODY ELSE... TAKE CARE!!! THEIR HATE NEVER STOPS BEFORE YOU STOP THEM BY YOURSELF...

Alik
<alek::turk,net>
RussiaFederation -- Monday, January 01, 2001 at 22:15:40 (EET)


ONE MORE TIME!!

AND STOP LIEING TO YOUR SELF AND TO YOUR OWN PEOPLE!

I MEAN I REALLY DON`T UNDERSTAND HOW YOU CAN BE SO STUPID AND NOT SEE WHAT IS FOR YOUR OWN GOOD!!!!

HELLO THERE!! YOU UR NOT ANYBODYS SLAVE NO MORE YOU HAVE YOUR OWN COUNTRY AND IT IS INDEPENDENT!!! PLEASE THINK ABOUT THAT!!! YOU HAVE TO THINK SO THAT IT IS GOOD FOR YOUR OWN PEOPLE AND FOR YOUR SELF!!! YOU ARE YOUR OWN MASTER AND YOU DONT HAVE TO SERVE ANYBODY ELSE IF YOU DO NOT LIKE THAT(I MEAN AVAN AN ANIMAL CAN UNDERSTAND WHAT IS GOOD FOR ITS OWN LIFE AND EXAPANSION.)

YOU ARE NOT ANYBODYS SLAVE!!!!!!!! SO I THINK YOU UNDERSTAND THAT THE THEORY OF "URALIAN RACE" AND FIIN-UGOR LANGUAGE FAMILY IS TOTAL RUBBISH!!!! THE RIGHT IS ASIAN RACE(ASIAN ORIGIN) AND URALALTAIC (SUMERIAN) LANGUAGE FAMILY!!!

erki
<erki10::emaiol.ee>
estonia -- Monday, January 01, 2001 at 18:08:49 (EET)


and I also want to say:

SUICIDE IS WRONG,DON`t YOU UNDERSTAND THAT? PLEASE STOP SERVING THAT SICK FIINO-UGOR IDEA AND PLEASE STOP MAKING SUICIDE FOR YOUR OWN PEOPLE(ESTONIANS+FINNS). SIMPLY STOP THAT SICK SUICIDE THEORY OF FINN-OGOR. DO NOT MAKE SUICIDE!!!!!!SUICIDE IS WRONG!!!! I JUST WANT TO HELP YOU!!!AND I REPEAT!!! PLEASE DO NOT MAKE SUICIDE BY BEEING SICK,STUPID,BRAINWASHED AND BLIND AS HELL!!!!!

THANKS!!

I just wanted to help you,poor stupid people,rest is up to you!!!THINK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

erki
<erki10::email.ee>
estonia -- Monday, January 01, 2001 at 17:49:41 (EET)


Hello!

Is it a suicide book or what? Do.nt you peaple know that even estonians and finnish people are MONGOLOID origin? I mean what is URALIAN race? It simply do not exist!That is only a fantasy in your brainwashed heads! Finnish people are also ASIAN origin!Thats a fakt! AND I DO NOT UNDERSTAND WHY YOU PEOPLE DO NOT ACCEPT THE TRUE THEORY OF URALALTAIC LANGUAGE FAMILY(or with other words:SUMERIAN FAMILY!!) WHAT A SUICIDE THEORY IS SO CALLED "FINNO-OGOR FAMILY?IT IS JUST SICK!!! YOU HAVE TO BE BLIND TO NOT SEE THAT FINNISH PEPLE ARE ASIAN ORIGIN; THEY ARE PART OF THE RACE JUST AS FOR EXAMPLE TURKS,HUNNS,TATARS,MONGOLS.

I KNOW THAT THERE IS A LANGUAGE FAMILY CALLED INDO-EUROPEANS. THERE HAVE TO BE A SIMILAR "S U M E R I A N " FAMILY or also you can say URALALTAIC FAMILY!!!!!! I MEAN GROW UP PEOPLE!!!

Erki
<erki10::email.ee>
estonia -- Monday, January 01, 2001 at 17:30:29 (EET)


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